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Author:  mqbernardo [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:03 am ]
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Just curious.


best,
Miguel.

Author:  mkellyvrod [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:07 am ]
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I don't, or if I do I don't know it.
I apologize for my ignorance, but what ruler trick?

Author:  Doug Balzer [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:09 am ]
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Is that where you measure before you cut? I've been thinking about incorporating that technique in my next build...if I can afford it.

Author:  JustinNorth [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:11 am ]
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Are you talking about lining up the neck angle using a straight edge to gauge the approximate height of the bridge and saddle to make sure you have the correct angle on the neck before attaching the neck?

Author:  Beth Mayer [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:23 am ]
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Doug Balzer wrote:
Is that where you measure before you cut? I've been thinking about incorporating that technique in my next build...if I can afford it.


Hey,Doug that sounds like a good idea laughing6-hehe

Author:  mqbernardo [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:44 am ]
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sorry folks, i´m too deep in my own, er, thing - didn´t occur to me you guys could not know it.
It´s that thing where you use a thin ruler layed upon an edge on the surface of your fine waterstone and flatten only the utmost tip of the back of your plane blade on the other edge, thus creating a minute back bevel on the tip of the blade. saves lots of time and is quite popular. i believe credit is due to David Charlesworth, or at least he´s the one i got it from in the 1st place. If you search youtube for Mr. charlestorth or LN´s Deneb Puchalsky you should find more info.

Doug: you made me laugh, man. thanks for that, always worth it!

best,
Miguel.

Author:  James Orr [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:56 am ]
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I use it with very good results [:Y:] Started last spring when I saw Rob Cosman use it in a few of his DVD's, and saw Deneb use it in his sharpening clips on the Lie-Nielsen YouTube channel.

Author:  Beth Mayer [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:59 am ]
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mqbernardo wrote:
sorry folks, i´m too deep in my own, er, thing - didn´t occur to me you guys could not know it.
It´s that thing where you use a thin ruler layed upon an edge on the surface of your fine waterstone and flatten only the utmost tip of the back of your plane blade on the other edge, thus creating a minute back bevel on the tip of the blade. saves lots of time and is quite popular. i believe credit is due to David Charlesworth, or at least he´s the one i got it from in the 1st place. If you search youtube for Mr. charlestorth or LN´s Deneb Puchalsky you should find more info.

Doug: you made me laugh, man. thanks for that, always worth it!

best,
Miguel.


Do you still put a 30 degree micro bevel (or whatever is your usual micro) on the face?

Author:  mqbernardo [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:13 am ]
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yes, i do. but i´m not an expert on anything. i´m just lazy.

Author:  Steven Odut [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:28 pm ]
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Yes, it works great for plane and spokeshave blades. Don't use it for chisels.

Author:  Link Van Cleave [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:03 pm ]
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No

Author:  uvh sam [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:57 pm ]
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Care to elaborat link?

Author:  Doug Balzer [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:41 pm ]
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I do something similar in creating a micro bevel but use the Lee Valley honing guide that enable you do cut a micro bevel without taking the blade out of the guide...very accurate.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=33001&cat=1,43072,43078&ap=1

Author:  Colin North [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:51 pm ]
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Yes, found it early on, and I've always used it for plane type blades. Magic.
Tried it early on for a chisel.
Took me ages to flatten the back again. [headinwall]

Author:  Beth Mayer [ Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:52 am ]
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Do you also use this with block plane blades that have a chip breaker? If so, where (in relation to the tiny back bevel) do you set the edge of your chip breaker?

Author:  WaddyThomson [ Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:55 am ]
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I really thought it was for use on bevel up blades without a chip breaker, but I could be wrong. I can't see the advantage on a bevel down blade, other than presenting a higher angle to the wood instead of having a higher angle on the frog. Chip breaker would still be close to edge.

Author:  gozierdt [ Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:30 pm ]
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+1 on what Doug said about the Lee Valley guide

Author:  EddieLee [ Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:40 pm ]
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Yes It does save time and seem to work just fine.

Author:  charles tauber [ Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:06 pm ]
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Doug Balzer wrote:
I do something similar in creating a micro bevel but use the Lee Valley honing guide that enable you do cut a micro bevel without taking the blade out of the guide...very accurate.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=33001&cat=1,43072,43078&ap=1



The Charlesworth technique is to put a small bevel on the back of a plane blade/iron. The purpose of it, as I was taught it, is to save time: the back of the plane blade/iron doesn't need to be flattened. The small, localized bevel on the back eliminates that need, while still creating a fine line at the intersection of the bevels of front and back of the iron. Without the bevel on the back, the back of the iron needs to be flattened for a sufficient length that it forms a flat plane to give the needed line-intersection between back and front of the plane iron. For those that have "fettled" plane or chisel blades to get a dead-flat back, the time savings is a few hours of initial work.

I don't use the "trick" since I flattened the back on most of my tools prior to the introduction of the technique. Consequently, using it doesn't save me anything.

Author:  Evilfrog [ Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:15 pm ]
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I do it on my plane blades. Do do it on chisels.

Author:  Colin North [ Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:41 pm ]
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Evilfrog, don't you mean Don't do it on chisels!

Author:  Clinchriver [ Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:09 pm ]
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charles tauber wrote:
Doug Balzer wrote:
I do something similar in creating a micro bevel but use the Lee Valley honing guide that enable you do cut a micro bevel without taking the blade out of the guide...very accurate.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=33001&cat=1,43072,43078&ap=1



The Charlesworth technique is to put a small bevel on the back of a plane blade/iron. The purpose of it, as I was taught it, is to save time: the back of the plane blade/iron doesn't need to be flattened. The small, localized bevel on the back eliminates that need, while still creating a fine line at the intersection of the bevels of front and back of the iron. Without the bevel on the back, the back of the iron needs to be flattened for a sufficient length that it forms a flat plane to give the needed line-intersection between back and front of the plane iron. For those that have "fettled" plane or chisel blades to get a dead-flat back, the time savings is a few hours of initial work.

I don't use the "trick" since I flattened the back on most of my tools prior to the introduction of the technique. Consequently, using it doesn't save me anything.


Same here no problems with flat backs :mrgreen:

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